Going Knowhere Fast: Disco Death Race 2000

Man this is so good! Much better than the one I published

@BananaCrapshoot lmao thank you thank you

Can't wait to get this to the table! Love your thematic write-up.

Does Make the Call and Quinjet really bypass the restriction on Stinger?

Star Lord really brings it for leadership decks! I built one fairly close to this in order to OTK the villain, but then realized Stinger's limitation. Doesn't matter, the combo still works without her, by the way, so even if it turns out you can't play her in here, it should be all right.

I see how we can interpret Make the Call and Quinjet to circumvent the restriction from playing her as SL, but ultimately, I think a ruling should be made about it. It looks too much like a loophole that will be subject to errata anytime soon.

@Ret yes, since 'put into play' is not the same as 'played'

@neothechosenyeah, definitely feels a bit wrong haha. and even without her, you can still go 6 and often will have turns without the full 7 anyway. i do agree there needs to be a ruling for clarification and that it's subject to errata (specifically Make the Call)

it feels scummy, but that and the Blaze of Glory damage dodge feel very Star-Lord lmao

@Schmendrix thank you for your kind words. i hope you enjoy it! let me know how it goes :D

Love the writeups you guys do.

Sadly, I already hated the interaction between Blaze of Glory and flipping Star-Lord to save non-Guardian allies (ZERO thematic sense). Now I also realize I hate that Knowhere doesn't only increase your limit if you have all Guardian Allies. :(

Does Knowhere work when the ally you play doesn’t have the Guardian trait without Star-Lord’s ability? It does say “after” and his effects says “control”, does the after occur after the ally is under your control and thus changed to Guardian?

Nice concept!!

Nice deck here. You I think you just nailed with the concept. Since I got Star Lord last friday I was thinking in how to build a deck which can combine Avengers Assemble! and Blaze of Glory and just found yours here...

Avengers Assemble! decks were already powerful, but I think that now, with Star-Lord and Blaze of Glory they are simply crazy. How many rounds you usually need to setup your "big-turn"?

wait i'm confused - how can you play stinger in a star lord deck? doesn't the identity have to be avenger?

@TonyStark well, i think it makes sense for star-lord to kind of break the rules, but i get you. it definitely feels a bit scummy haha

@journeyman2 yep! star-lord's ability is constant, so the ally gains guardian as soon as you place it in play and pay its cost. after that, knowhere checks to see if you played a guardian ally

@weheheglad you like it! to be honest, it only takes a few turns to start going, and depending on the difficulty, the game is over before you can have a full 7-ally turn for everything. i think what's so fun about it is you can kind of just have turns doing what you can instead of just durdling until you find all your pieces lol

@sc00ter1979you cannot play Stinger in this deck, but you can put her into play with Make the Call and Quinjet. here is the entry from the RRG i.imgur.com

Great write up man! As always splendid job, I tried this deck yesterday and had an absolute blast! It certainly feels a bit scummy to be able to play stinger with Quinjet or Make the Call but I really think that they should keep at least Make the Call as it is, because I think that part of the idea of the card is to be able to play allies you usually couldn't play, maybe they can errata it to something like "you have to be able to play the ally" (with better wording ofc) and keep the ability to play your teammates allies from their discard piles. I think I'm more on the boat of nerfing Blaze of Glory to always do 1 damage, but I think it's thematic right now and fun as hell :P

hey, thanks @fergan! yeah, so much of this deck feels super scummy, but definitely on brand for star-lord lol

maybe they'll change it at some point, but the current position actually is explicitly clear in the new RRG that it's allowed. they just want to make sure everyone knows blue is the best colour lol :P

I dont understand, why dies switching to alter ego save the alles from taking the dmg from BoG?

Any ally that doesn't have the printed trait Guardian loses the Guardian trait granted by Star Lord's hero power when he switches to AE.

Oh, makes sense! Thanks @Schmendrix

cant play stinger, you need the avenger trait to play her !

@Draz999yep, that's correct !

but you can put her into play with Make the Call and Quinjet as explained in the deck description :)

The condition of triggering Knowhere is "a player plays a guardian ally" which means an ally should be played from hand to play. So the ally should have guardian traits during the whole condition (in hand and in play), but star-lord can only guarantee the second half of the condition. Except that, it's a very nice deck, thanks for sharing!

@LitteBearpeople have explained it better than I in the comments, but it has to do with the fact that star-lord's ability is constant, so it turns on immediately when it enters play and is always either on or off. knowhere checks after it has completely finished entering play and all relevant triggers for doing so have resolved. basically, it definitely does work, but I'm glad you liked the deck! hopefully you can enjoy all the extra card draw that comes with it :)

Are you sure you're allowed to resolve one part of the Hero Action effect but not resolve another part of the same effect, just because you flipped throughout the phase? Seems kinda cheesy. In my opinion, an effect is to be resolved when it triggers and if there are additional criterias it enters a queue - even if the initial trigger condition is no longer valid. It's one effect and you triggered it, meaning you have to resolve the full effect.

Or is there another reason why you clarify this move of starting in Hero and switching to Alter-Ego while playing BoG?

@Cosmic_Outlaw This is a fine way to play, but doesn't match the rules framework of the game, so far as we understand it from the developers. There is no "stack" or "queue" in this game. Blaze of Glory establishes a lasting effect for the bonus for phase, and the second sentence triggers only when the triggering condition is met (at the end of the phase). This is our best understanding of how the rules work based on a wide range of rules responses from the designers, but they have not weighed in on this card.

They seriously need to make a Marvel champions game on steam or something. This will clear a LOT of the debated rules that people have.

Any updates for September?

hey @nungunzthanks for the comment. I think dropping black knight, falcon, and/or kate bishop Hawkeye for Kaluu or White Tiger is a solid play. if playing with an avenger hero, then giving you honorary avenger would help with Mighty Avengers if you want. you could also run United We Stand or Earth's Mightiest Heroes. there's also some nice leadership options, such as "Welcome Aboard", Band Together, and Regroup, the event and support are especially good for multiplayer. there aren't toomany 3 cost cards, but getting 2 resources from band together is still worth it, but I'd recommend no more than 2 copies.

the main improvement though is the two allies who help accelerate your deck

Great deck and thanks for updating card recommendations in your last comment :)

@Dawncaller glad you're enjoying it!

@dr00 any update you'd make to this with newer cards?

@Telcontar hey sorry for the late reply. sometimes marvelcdb doesn't let me comment, but it seems to be working now lol

i posted in a comment above, but i think i'll go through and edit the decklist directly. basically White Tiger and Kaluu can easily replace a few of the current allies like Black Knight, Falcon, or Hawkeye to build faster. i also really love Regroup for letting your allies chump block and you can play them again, especially for White Tiger. and finally, Band Together is insanely good. i think 2 copies is correct, and if you draw one in your mulligan hand, you can use Smooth Talker to swap it with the top card of your deck. as long as it's giving you 1 energy, it's helping you build, but you can easily get it to 3, which is an important number for Star-Lord for Bad Boy, Element Gun, Leader of the Guardians, and Sliding Shot

@dr00 all sounds good, thanks!

Hi @dr00. I tried building a similar deck to this today and had very limited success over and over again against Kang. I think I'm piloting wrong. The main issue I'm having is I have a bunch of 2HP allies on the table (no Team Training), exhausted thanks to Strength in Numbers, with no way in hand to ready them. Even using Blaze of Glory or Avengers Assemble! is only so useful because they still take consequential damage and kill themselves off and I have to rebuild the board state. Do you nuke the allies off, use them to chump, keep them on the table at all costs? Interested in how you manage the workforce. Big fan of your decks. Thanks for the help.

hey @Marctimmins89 thanks for your comment. Avengers Assemble! and Blaze of Glory are ideally meant to be something that closes out the game, literally going all out in a Blaze of Glory. Team Training is fairly crucial if you want to use these before the endgame. if you don't have it, simply draw up a lot of cards, and you can use Star-Lord himself with Blaze of Glory to do a lot of damage along with Daring Escape, but the best combo is honestly a bunch of Sliding Shots. Blaze of Glory does a lot of damage, and you can cheat away the extra damage to your characters, that's fun, but it's not the best combo the deck has.

as for chumping, rebuilding, etc., i think a perfectly viable strategy involves not using Strength In Numbers with every ally. Ant-Man for example can be played early game for 1 or late game for 4 with a large healthy pool and can then be used to attack multiple times. but you would then play Blaze of Glory to attack with whoever is left ready, and flip down to keep everyone aline. it's also totally fine to use some as chump blockers (especially so you can reset Ant-Man later on). you have things like Make the Call and Rapid Response to rebuild. you can also include Regroup (which is currently the best option imo).

another facet of this deck that has emerged with later releases, is Kaluu, White Tiger, and Band Together, which allow you to rebuild very quickly after losing some of your army. Star-Lord has the capacity to rebuild very quickly thanks to the above cards since they are relatively cheap and can still find the tools and resources you need.

i hope this helps, and thanks for playing the deck! i'm glad you're enjoying it, and i hope this helps out

oh one last thing i forgot to mention. definitely don't be afraid to use Avengers Assemble! to play two Strength In Numbers in the same round. all your allies are exhausted, but starting your turn proper with like 20 cards feels so amazing.

Very helpful, thanks! You mentioned a couple of newer cards you think might suit this style. I also considered adding Mass Attack (from Spectrum's prebuilt... I don't know how to link cards in comments sorry) as a way to use some allies for medium damage while saving others for Strength in Numbers. Cheers.

@Marctimmins89 oh yeah, Mass Attack is a good one too! i actually hadn't considered that. he can easily play it and can always trigger it. he can also give everyone +2s very cheaply as well. good catch!

as for tagging cards, just use # then start typing the name of the card (no space after the #) you can also do symbols with $

Nice deck. For me, it's not so effective buy satisfying

@wojciech i stopped getting email alerts and missed this. thank you for your kind words! glad you've enjoyed it :D

Hi @dr00, nice deck to play with. I modified it a little bit to better correspond to my way of playing, but it was a real pleasure to discover yours.

This deck build is very close to the She Hulk Draw & Slam from BrianV inspired from your Black Panther Wakanda Forever and Ever and Ever...

Among the three heroes, it seems to me She Hulk is the best suited for this leadership engine. Thanks a lot for your contributions.

@Remo hi remo thanks again for your comments. again apologising for missing it until now! it wasn't on purpose. yes, i agree. i think Star-Lord benefits less from the huge amount of card draw since he has so much built-in value, but i think it's really fun to do a lot of Star-Lord-y kind of things that seem like cheating lol, drawing 7 cards (or even up to 9! with Longshot and certain scenarios like the recent Sabretooth or Project Wideawake), then using Blaze of Glory to get a lot of value out of your allies and jumping to alter-ego to avoid the damage ping. glad you're enjoying it! what changes did you make?

@dr00 no issue at all, I am not connected everyday as well and only discovered a trace of your message today in my spam mailbox!

Please find the link to my modified deck based on yours marvelcdb.com

It turns out to be strongly modified in the end ;-) but the fun is the same to me!

@dr00 This looks fun - can't wait to try this out!

When playing 2p, how well does this deck perform with someone else playing Aggression. Is the threat removal sufficient?

@Remo yeah, that's great! always love to see how these decks evolve and change over time :D

@Cro threat removal is usually in the form of a bazooka rather than spot removal, but you can simply use your allies to thwart as they come into play and get ready for the big combo turn with Avengers Assembles and/or Blaze of Glory. or you can simply use those events or Gutsy Move to remove a lot of threat at once

aggression could probably just keep the minions in check until you one-turn kill the villain. how did it play for you?

I guess you will never play Nova Prime as it will bork Avenger's Tower.

@Aometora not usually, no. sometimes it's ok if you really need him to defeat a minion or something and if you're not full of allies already